{"id":2113,"date":"2023-01-23T22:47:12","date_gmt":"2023-01-23T22:47:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/?p=2113"},"modified":"2026-07-28T18:36:22","modified_gmt":"2026-07-28T18:36:22","slug":"dersimlilerin-tufekle-tanismasinin-hikayesi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/dersimlilerin-tufekle-tanismasinin-hikayesi","title":{"rendered":"Dersimlilerin t\u00fcfekle tan\u0131\u015fmas\u0131n\u0131n hikayesi"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Dersim Raa Heqi \u0130nanc\u0131\u2019nda mitolojik bir \u201cDewr\u00ea X\u0131z\u0131ri\/Hewtemal\u201d anlat\u0131s\u0131<\/h1>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>
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Asm\u00ean Ercan G\u00fcr<\/strong><\/p>\n

aliyedemeniz@hotmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n

01 Mart 2022<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>

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Xal \u00c7elker:<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>Halla hala!<\/p>\n

Nejdi Bava:<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>Heqo-vallahi!<\/p>\n

\u2022 \u201cGidin; Pasao Sur (k\u0131rm\u0131z\u0131 derili pa\u015fa-adam), hala o \u00e7ad\u0131rdad\u0131r. Ona engel olun! B\u0131rakmay\u0131n orada ev yaps\u0131n. \u015eayet o orada ev yaparsa, sizin haliniz fenad\u0131r. Siz onu oradan art\u0131k s\u00f6k\u00fcp atamazs\u0131n\u0131z!\u201d demi\u015f pir.<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cTamam.\u201d Diyorlar. Kalk\u0131p pire niyaz ederek m\u00fcsaade istiyorlar. Pir, kendilerine der \u201cDurun; eve gitmeyin. Madem cemaat kamalar\u0131 ve k\u0131l\u0131\u00e7lar\u0131yla bu \u015fekilde toplanm\u0131\u015f, yar\u0131n ak\u015fam filan k\u00f6ye gidin! Bizim Sag\u0131lo (Sagulo) k\u00f6y\u00fcne gidin! Orada Mursay\u00ea Mewi\u2019nin yan\u0131na gidin!\u201d diyor.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\u00a0O k\u00f6y, evvela onlar\u0131n k\u00f6y\u00fcym\u00fc\u015f. Onlar \u015e\u0131x Mamedanlarm\u0131\u015f. \u015e\u00eax Mamed o zaman Dersim\u2019in y\u00f6neticisi-miri imi\u015f.<\/p>\n

Pir, \u201cMursay\u00ea Mewi \u00e7ok daha \u00f6nceden gidip o \u00e7ad\u0131ra sald\u0131rm\u0131\u015f. Neyin ne oldu\u011funu biliyor. Adam \u00f6l\u00fcnce d\u00f6n\u00fcp geri gelmi\u015f. Mursay\u00ea Mewi o \u00e7ad\u0131r\u0131n yerini ve i\u00e7indeki durumu iyi biliyor.\u201d diyor. \u201cBenim o\u011flum Heso P\u00ea\u00e7o size Mursay\u00ea Mewi\u2019nin evini tarif etsin. Mursay\u00ea Mewi size \u00e7ad\u0131ra hangi taraftan girilece\u011fini tarif etsin. O bilgi ve tecr\u00fcbe sahibidir. Gidin o \u00e7ad\u0131ra girin, o Pasao Sur\u2019u \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcn. Askerini de etkisiz k\u0131l\u0131n, o \u00e7ad\u0131r\u0131 oradan s\u00f6k\u00fcn at\u0131n!\u201d der. Neyse; bunlar Mursay\u00ea Mewi\u2019nin evine var\u0131rlar. Mursay\u00ea Mewi bunlara der:<\/p>\n

\u2022 \u201cBiz bir kere gittik, ba\u015faramad\u0131k. Elinde bir \u015fey var, patl\u0131yor, insana de\u011fiyor...\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

Art\u0131k birbirlerine nas\u0131l tarif ediyorlarsa, bir \u015fekilde \u00e7ad\u0131r\u0131n yan\u0131na var\u0131yorlar. \u00c7ad\u0131r\u0131n etraf\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7eviriyorlar. Bava Hese \u00e7ad\u0131ra girmek i\u00e7in haz\u0131rl\u0131k yap\u0131yor.<\/p>\n

Tabi t\u00fcfekte \u00e7ad\u0131rdaym\u0131\u015f. Bava Hese kamas\u0131n\u0131 al\u0131yor \u00e7ad\u0131ra yana\u015farak kesiyor ve i\u00e7eri giriyor. O Pasa\u00ea Sur\u2019un hizmetlisi de orada t\u00fcfek elinde \u00e7ad\u0131rdaym\u0131\u015f. Pasa da yataktad\u0131r. Ancak diyorlar o yatakta olan Pasa\u00ea Sur de\u011filmi\u015f. Hesen \u00e7ad\u0131ra girer girmez t\u00fcfekle kar\u015f\u0131dan kendisine bir el ate\u015f ediliyor. \u00e7ad\u0131r\u0131n i\u00e7i karanl\u0131km\u0131\u015f. Art\u0131k nas\u0131l oluyorsa Hesen orada yaralan\u0131yor.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Xal \u00c7elker:\u00a0<\/span><\/strong>Yani kur\u015fun Hesen\u2019e isabet ediyor; \u00f6yle mi?<\/p>\n

Bava Nejdi:<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>Evet evet. Ancak Hesen evvela o \u00e7ad\u0131rda yatakta olana h\u00fccum ediyor. Onu elindeki kamayla \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcyor. Sonra onun korumas\u0131 bek\u00e7iyi, Sur\u2019un adam\u0131 olan koruyucuyu fark ediyor. Bu bek\u00e7i Hasan\u2019a ate\u015f etse de bir \u015fekilde nas\u0131l oluyorsa Hesen de onu yaral\u0131yor. Adam bunun \u00fczerine elindeki t\u00fcfe\u011fi a\u011f\u0131z k\u0131sm\u0131ndan bir daha doldurmaya yelteniyor. Hesen, onu da orada kamayla \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcyor. Sonradan Hesen \u00e7ad\u0131rdan \u00e7\u0131k\u0131p nara at\u0131nca o di\u011ferleri de o di\u011fer askerlere-koruculara sald\u0131r\u0131yorlar.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Orada, o \u015einewar da\u011f\u0131nda bir ma\u011fara var. \u015eimdi asker oraya, o da\u011f\u0131n tepesine bir verici istasyonu kurmu\u015f. B\u00f6yle uzun ve y\u00fcksek bir anten\u2026<\/p>\n

Oraya giden bu Dersimliler, elinde t\u00fcfekle oraya gelen bu kimseleri etkisiz hale getiriyorlar. O t\u00fcfe\u011fi de al\u0131p k\u00f6ye geliyorlar. Da\u011fdan k\u00f6ye do\u011fru inince, da\u011f\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcnde Hiniy\u00ea Geme ad\u0131nda bir \u00e7e\u015fme var. Hesen yaral\u0131d\u0131r. Hesen\u2019i oraya getirip kendisine \u00e7e\u015fmeden su verirler. Orada \u00e7e\u015fmenin \u00f6n\u00fcnde d\u00f6\u015fek boyutunda bir sal ta\u015f\u0131 var. Hesen\u2019i o ta\u015f\u0131n \u00fczerine yat\u0131r\u0131rlar. Hesen orada \u00f6l\u00fcr.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\u2022 O ta\u015f\u0131n \u00fczerinde \u201cnisange ta\u015f\u0131\u201d (ziyareti g\u00f6ren yer) dikilmi\u015ftir. Bu nisange-ziyaret yerine de \u201cKemera Hes\u00ea Berti\u201d ad\u0131 verilmi\u015ftir.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

Dedim ya Dersim\u2019de her a\u011fac\u0131n, her ta\u015f\u0131n, her ziyaret yerinin bir hikayesi vard\u0131r diye. Buran\u0131n da hikayesi budur. Efendime s\u00f6yleyeyim, onlar o t\u00fcfe\u011fi al\u0131p Mursay\u00ea Mewi g\u00fcle gelirler. Elbet ac\u0131km\u0131\u015flar da\u2026<\/p>\n

Derler hal durum budur; biz b\u00f6yle b\u00f6yle yapt\u0131k. Biz \u00e7ad\u0131r\u0131 kald\u0131rd\u0131k, onu koruyan korucular\u0131n da icab\u0131na bakt\u0131k. Kendilerine t\u00fcfe\u011fi i\u015faret edip sorarlar:<\/p>\n

\u2022 Peki bu elinizdeki nedir? Ellerindeki t\u00fcfek demirden ve a\u011fz\u0131 huni gibiymi\u015f. Diyorlar, \u201co bek\u00e7i bununla bize ate\u015f etti. T\u00fcfek dedikleri \u015fey budur.\u201d\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

Bunlar t\u00fcfe\u011fi ellerine alarak \u00f6teden, beriden g\u00f6zlemlerler. Tabi bek\u00e7i t\u00fcfe\u011fi yeniden doldurmu\u015f ancak teti\u011fi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrmeye f\u0131rsat bulamam\u0131\u015f. Art\u0131k nas\u0131l yap\u0131yorlarsa, teti\u011fi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcr\u00fcyorlar ve orada kendilerinden birini daha vurarak \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcyorlar.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\u0130\u00e7ine bak\u0131yorlar, d\u0131\u015f\u0131na bak\u0131yorlar ama art\u0131k olan oluyor. \u201cHalla hala\u201d diyorlar. \u201cDemek ki bunun i\u00e7erisinde bir \u015fey var.\u201d diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorlar. Diyorlar \u201cHesen dedi ki, \u2018Ne varsa bunun i\u00e7erisine dolduruyorlar.\u2019\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n

Diyorlar \u201cHele bir daha gidip o \u00e7ad\u0131ra bak\u0131n! \u00c7ad\u0131rda ne var ne yok?\u201d diye. Bunlar hep birlikte gidip \u00e7ad\u0131r\u0131n i\u00e7ine bakarlar. Bakarlar bir iki tane ah\u015faptan yap\u0131lma kap var. Bak\u0131yorlar ki bu kaplar\u0131n i\u00e7inde siyah ve kum gibi baya\u011f\u0131 a\u011f\u0131r bir madde var. Bu barutmu\u015f. Bu maddeyi ate\u015fe att\u0131klar\u0131nda yanarak patlad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcyorlar. Diyorlar, \u201cNe varsa budur, bundan \u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fc olan oluyor.\u201d Bu durumu tespit ederler. T\u00fcfe\u011fi de al\u0131p Dewa Khuresu\u2019ya (Khure\u015fanl\u0131lar\u0131n k\u00f6y\u00fcne) g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcrler. T\u00fcfek bir zaman orada kal\u0131r.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Xal \u00c7elker:<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>Halla hala!<\/p>\n

Nejdi Bava:<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>Vallahi; t\u00fcfek bir zaman cemat eden o pir-bava g\u00fclde kal\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Xal \u00c7elker:\u00a0<\/span><\/strong>Peki, o Sur\u2019un meselesine oluyor?<\/p>\n

Nejdi Bava:\u00a0<\/span><\/strong>Devlet, o \u015einewari da\u011f\u0131n\u0131n etraf\u0131ndaki k\u00f6ylerin arazisini bu Sur\u2019a-A\u011fa\u00ea Sur\u2019a vermi\u015f. Devlet bu adam\u0131 Dersim d\u0131\u015f\u0131ndan ba\u015fka bir yerden getirtmi\u015f ve burada kendisine m\u00fclk vermi\u015f. Kimileri bu ki\u015finin \u201cT\u00fcrk-Sunni-Zaza\u201d oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor. Bu ki\u015fi Palu-G\u00f6kdere B\u00fcy\u00fck Dere\u2019denmi\u015f. Burada kendisine m\u00fclk verilmi\u015f, a\u011fa s\u0131fat\u0131 kazanm\u0131\u015f.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Xal \u00c7elker:<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>Ancak Suranl\u0131lar, bug\u00fcn art\u0131k adiliyle ve inanc\u0131yla Dersim\u2019in yerli bir a\u015fireti ve halk\u0131d\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Nejdi Bava:<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>Elbette; onlar art\u0131k Dersim\u2019in yerli bir a\u015firetidir. Dedim ya devlet Sur\u2019un vuruldu\u011fu o da\u011f\u0131n etraf\u0131ndaki k\u00f6ylerdeki araziyi bunlar\u0131n \u00e7ocuklar\u0131na vermi\u015f ve bunlar oran\u0131n a\u011falar\u0131 olmu\u015flar. Bizim zaman\u0131m\u0131zda Suranl\u0131lar hanedan idi, s\u00f6zleri para ediyordu. O k\u00f6ylerin bulundu\u011fu yerler Suranl\u0131lar\u0131n topraklar\u0131yd\u0131. T\u00fcrkler eline t\u00fcfek vermi\u015f, oraya getirmi\u015fler ki Dersimlilere korku versinler.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\u2022 Khure\u015fanl\u0131lar\u0131n cemaati ile Suranl\u0131lar\u0131n t\u00fcfe\u011fi meselesi bu \u015fekildedir. O zaman t\u00fcfek bu topraklara bu \u015fekilde geliyor.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

Xal \u00c7elker:\u00a0<\/span><\/strong>Sen dedin bu olay kimin devrinde olmu\u015f?<\/p>\n

Nejdi Bava:<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>Mir\u00ea Maquli zaman\u0131ndaym\u0131\u015f. O d\u00f6nem Dersim\u2019e bu mir h\u00fckmediyormu\u015f. Mir\u00ea Mamquli, Sey Mamedunolar\u0131n dedesiymi\u015f. \u0130yisi mi ben bir ara sana bu Mir\u00ea Mamquli meselesini de anlatay\u0131m\u2026<\/p>\n

K\u0131rmancki eser: \u201cBava Nejdi de Raa Heqi Sero Mobet.\u201d Xal \u00c7elker. Hard u Asm\u00ean Yay\u0131nevi. Ludwigshafen (Almanya) 2020.<\/p>\n

T\u00fcrk\u00e7e \u00e7eviri:\u00a0<\/span>Asm\u00ean Ercan G\u00fcr.\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":2100,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2113","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized-tr"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2113","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2113"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2113\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8322,"href":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2113\/revisions\/8322"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/2100"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2113"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2113"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dersim-fdg.org\/tr\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2113"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}